** Some of the text below passed google’s automatic translation twice (!) from English to French, and then back from French to English. Therefor I strongly suggest that if you are interested in it, scroll down and click the link to get back to the original multilingual discussion.
This is a conversation that took place in Facebook, all in French. For my part, I used Google translation to be in the loop, and to translate this conversation for you.
I will not explain much, just invite you to read and comment.
It started with a note by French artist Olivier Baudoin:
Thu color (orange)
Today at 11:37 am
It is the color of a revolution that took place in Ukraine in 2004.
It is also the color of a French telephone operator who has the particularity to push his employees to commit suicide in order to remain the leader. This operator is present in Israel and West Bank.
Orange is a fruit imported from Israel, which has long been the mainstay of Israel’s agricultural economy. We all drank Orange Juice “Jaffa”.
Since Israel is positioned on the Hig-tech and military industry, much more lucrative. Israel participate in the creation example of Galileo is the system “GPS” European.
Jaffa is a city very controversial because it would be “allowed” to the Arabs as an enclave in land Israel, but it was different. In January 1948 Israeli terrorists (Lekhi activists), exploded a truck near the Seraglio of Jaffa, was the town hall and the Arab National Committee, causing the collapse of the building and killed 26 Arabs. Under pressure from the Arabs have gradually left the city.
On April 25, 1948, six Israeli companies have bombarded the city for 72 hours. Jaffa surrendered May 13, 1948. Following the mass exodus of a population of 70 000-80 000 Arabs remained in place only 4100. Orange is also the color of the identification card and registration plate of the Palestinians.
This color terribly limited mobility “citizens” Palestinian. But it’s better than the green stamp. With this card you can expect to work in Israel and it thus represents an inexpensive workforce. A bit like our Arabs to us after the independence of Algeria.
Jonathan Hecht ffff Olivier Olivier Olivier why you want to come here and just use my name? you seem a bit far to reach as close … you have questions you say?
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Jonathan Hecht those you could make me appear a different order. and more interesting … it looks kind of school hitlerian Geraldine Bloch and Villa arson. you know what I am talking about people who t’emploient and for whom you work?
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Jonathan Hecht I mean Nelda Goglio and MUSEAAV course
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Jonathan Hecht Me I would go otherwise
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Jonathan Hecht admit that it bothers me that you take part Omer. I think it is over here and I recommend you to do the same. NATO HA HA
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Jonathan Hecht nobody is perfect in this world but it seems that the strength of proposal is better than the critics who get to see so badly and see the other (a forciori if d. .. See More
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Olivier Baudoin Jonathan That I do not quote you and I do not quote Omer. But I do not judge, they are historical facts. We must assume, even we French. We can not judge the Germans, despite what they have done. I know that you Omer and many other Israelis do not want this situation. And I think the Palestinians and Israelis are locked into themselves and the horrors of their stories.
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Jonathan Hecht like you yes
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Jonathan Hecht or me
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Jonathan Hecht what we do together always seems more interesting. maybe I’m wrong but that no calls me.
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Olivier Baudoin course, but the world is not the land of Care Bears … And it is difficult to bring together people who hate themselves. Because religion (in the etymological sense) to gather further divided. Is that art is different? I wonder!
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Olivier Baudoin Nelda? No, she thinks I’m going on holiday, Villa Arson, I put a foot. Not my employer is myself. My method of working, living, is looking at the reality and face death. I have an approach to Durkheim this kind of problem. It sustains systems, which we are prisoners. It is extremely difficult to escape. And we look forward to who we are. The Palestinians are terrorists and the Israelis have been in 1948 too. Since the Israelis have gone through two wars and are powerful allies. The U.S. and Europe. There are more terrorists, they are occupiers. 60% of the West Bank is occupied. That too is a fact. In September the colonies are likely to resume. A humanitarian catastrophe will happen is obligated.
So I come to Israel that you came to do. And I’m also legitimate to be there than you.Remember that I have family there and being a Jew is artificial. It is a human creation, a Bible, a myth are human inventions. That’s why it does not work. It’s unspoken. Everybody knows it’s bogus. Unless one is convinced he has the truth. And that’s fanaticism.
I love people, love life, detest the authoritarian powers, and nothing justifies violence.
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Jonathan Hecht In that event, there is work to Nice where you just touch the vis.1-earth talk. 2 – to attack Israel is like attacking the democracy in France. there are all religions. layman and free country no more orange than blue … yes all is not rosy but human life is the way I like my human among humans as everywhere … finally more or less. Palestine is exploited by the religious who send suicide bombers border. -> The history out of context is only partial and projective I think. Finally, the bottom line for me is to promote art and Israeli humainternational … so ….?
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Jonathan Hecht did not compare the incomparable just musicating welcome I’m afraid you’re a poor historian, but as bad as what most important. the important thing is to co-exist modestly and nicely for me.
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Jonathan Hecht policy is in good trade. possible ones: those that we give ourselves with beautiful facilities for its finest kiss
Omer Golan Your so called historical facts are wrong. Amazing to see history twisted this way. Even though that view of history is always subjective, most of what you wrote isn’t “facts”, but rather loosely related fragments of information.
I will not begin to correct you again. My conclusion from all of this is that if you are serious in creating political art that truly transcends politics you should focus on your own politics. As an outside you can not see the big picture of other nations interior situation or even understand its politics and positions.
We are in a middle of a cultural war, and you, the French people are in it too. The culture of your thousands years old nation is already changing beyond recognition.
In 2003, the French Ministry of the Interior estimated the total number of Muslims as 5-6 million whereas the “Front National” spoke about 8 million. I am sure that the numbers are even higher today. The uprise of religious ignorance is a world-wide problem, not only Israeli, French, Dutch or American. For all your judgement of Israel, it is the only democracy in the Middle East. We all remember the French people actions in WW2 and how humane they were. Yes, indeed, violence has no excuse, unless you are fighting for your life. Then its a damn good excuse, not matter really what you think. Until you find yourself in this situation – please do not try and pass judgment. I’m 30 years old now. When I was 11 they were Skad missiles flying around and over my families house, and we had to hide in shelters using gas masks, because of the alleged chemicals. In 1999 when I was 19, a 7.62 mm bullet missed my head by a hair and killed the guys who was standing next to me. He was 30 then and had a wife, a son, and twin girls. Less then a year later, In December 2000, when I was only 20 years old, a suicide bomber “hugged me” from behind and blew himself up over me with 7 k”g of explosives. I dare you to tell me when violence is accepted and when it is not.
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Olivier Baudoin Hello Golan
I know that you paid with your flesh, the price of this war. I respect that. If I say “Israeli terrorists” is not by chance. It was to try to demonstrate that the roles are changing rapidly. In France the Resistance was one of the Terrorists. If the second world war continued after 60 years you can imagine what it would be.
The fate of Israel that it is now on the side of M-16 … If he had lost the war of six days, maybe the Israelis would have a Kalashnikov …
Obviously what I say is a fantasy.
I’ve always been sensitive to the plight of the Jewish people. It’s in our old Europe, was held the Holocaust. I was born in 1964, when I was a kid we did not speak. It was too painful. In the year 80, it began to be publicized.
I was 20.
Today I discovered the Israeli situation and I am disappointed by the behavior “American” of Israeli power. I hope to meet people who will explain.
Regards
Olivier
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Jonathan Hecht meet people
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Omer Golan I was not hurt from you words Olivier, nor felt any disrespect by you. It’s just a discussion in which I try to make a point. I do not think you understand the Israeli situation. In what way do we act “American” ? We do not go to fight far away countries in wars that are not our own, nor do we try to interfere in other country’s politics. We defend our own borders, 45 minutes from my home. The situation here is dangerous, religion and money are behind it. Try and give a hard long look at you own society, and maybe you will reach a better understanding on your own people’s situation and make good art that could perhaps make a difference at people’s hearts. Here, you will always be an outsider to the culture, so it will not matter. Political art is not international, the message that comes through is not unified, it is not understood by everyone the same way, and you are responsible for your ART, even when you do not fully understand all you are saying.
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This is the original conversation on Olivier’s Facebook page, warning, it’s in French.